How to tracking student performance now ?
Submitted by orphys on Thu, 03/03/2016 - 23:06
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Hello,
Sorry to bother you again. I noticed a change that has a very high importance on how we use H5P .
Initially, when the solution was consulted , it was impossible to repeat the exercise again. Now a student may be entirely false exercise, find answers , and again the entirely just beginning. Is there a way to return to the first version ?
It is essential for tracking student performance.
thank you for listening
Lorin Walter - http://classe-numerique.fr
Realia
Fri, 03/04/2016 - 00:57
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Hi Lorin !I was about to
Hi Lorin !
I was about to write my reply in french but it would be impolite on this english spoken forum, so english it is :)
I'm testing the H5P WP plugin since about a week so I don't know about the way the plugin worked before. By "when the solution was consulted, it was impossible to repeat the exercise again", do you mean that before if the student had pressed the "Show the solution" button, then he couldn't press the "Retry" button to re-do the exercise ? If so, that was a pretty cool feature indeed... I'm guessing that you have upgraded your H5P libraries and that is the reason why things works differently now ?
All I can think of is that when you create a content in H5P, you can check / uncheck the "Show the solution" button and the "Retry" button to display or hide these buttons at the end of the quiz. As for me, I disable the "Show the solution" button but I enable the "Retry" button so that my students can try again and again until they find the solution.
By the way, I was talking about you in an other thread on this very forum the other day : https://h5p.org/comment/3917#comment-3917 (yep, you are the "french teacher" I mentioned). I was wondering how you managed to display the student's results outside of the WP admin. By default, the results can only be accessed in WP admin to logged users through the WP admin bar / Dashboard. But many teachers (including me) don't want their students to access the WP admin bar nor the WP Dashboard. They would rather display their results on a front-end page.
I'm guessing that you have developed a piece of code to manage that ? Would you be willing to share your wisdom with the rest of us ? ;)
Greetings,
Isabelle
orphys
Fri, 03/04/2016 - 15:16
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do you mean that before if
do you mean that before if the student had pressed the "Show the solution" button, then he couldn't press the "Retry" button to re-do the exercise ? If so, that was a pretty cool feature indeed...
Yes at all !
If I don't accept to see the solution, it's ok. And I will do this. But I liked that's student could see the answers, at the end.
falcon
Fri, 03/04/2016 - 12:57
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Seems Realia has provided a
orphys
Fri, 03/04/2016 - 15:13
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It's for all I use : fill in
It's for all I use : fill in the blank, mark the word, drag and drop text...
falcon
Mon, 03/07/2016 - 15:18
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That is strange. I can't
orphys
Tue, 03/08/2016 - 17:49
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I downloaded new versions of
I downloaded new versions of the exercises, including visual change of the result with the result bar which fills.
Maybe it's me who can not remember how it was before. I was convinced that a student who answered could not do the exercise again forever.
Before, the answers given by the student remains enrolled and it was not possible to change. Thus giving it access to the answer was not disturbing.
For now, I'll turn off the solution.
Thank you
Realia
Wed, 03/09/2016 - 16:16
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Hi Lorin,I see what you mean.
Hi Lorin,
I see what you mean. And now that I've looked into it, I think that there is something weird in the way the activities work when we check the "Save the content state" setting.
Let's say that I create a fill-in-the-blanks activity with the following settings :
The way the plugin should work, in my understanding, should be as follow :
But... this is not what happens : when the students comes back to the exercise, he finds his previous answers prefilled along with a new "Check" button and he can change his previous answers and retry the exercise (and of course, as he already knows the solution, this is really easy to get it right this time) : screen4. In my mind (and I think that it is in yours too), the student shouldn't be able to retry the exercise as I have checked the "Save the content state" and disabled the "Retry" button. He should find the exercise in the state that he left it that is screen3.
The "Multichoice question" activity works in the same way : if the student leaves the page and comes back to it, he actually CAN retry the exercise and modify his previous answers allthough he has already displayed the solution. It is indeed not the way I expect the plugin to work with these combined settings (Show the solution + No retry + save content state).
I guess that my question is : is this a "bug" ? Or is it the way the plugin is designed to work ? If someone from the core team could throw some light there, it would ease my mind :)
From this, I conclude that the "Retry" button combined with the "Save the content state" setting doesn't work the way that we think and that we would like it to be. You can't have it both : "Show the solution" and prevent students from retrying an exercise that they already have done once. So, I think that if you want to use H5P as an assessment tool and to track the students performance, you have to disable the "Show the solution" button - unless I got it all wrong !...
Greetings,
Isabelle
orphys
Thu, 03/10/2016 - 23:50
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Hello Isabelle, Yes that's it
Hello Isabelle,
Yes that's it.
(Unlike with the retry button it should proceed in the same way: we can try again, but when the solution is seen, it has no access to retry button, which was before).
Regarding the "save the content" ... with 3 seconds which you speak. I have absolutely not find where it is. Where you tick this box?
Originally, in fact, the results remained frozen if they had already completed the exercise by clicking "solution" (and that it was connected with a wordpress user account).
(Sorry for my english google translation)
falcon
Fri, 03/11/2016 - 14:48
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Hi,I'm afraid Isabelle's
Hi,
I'm afraid Isabelle's described behavior isn't a bug, but by design. Save content state saves the answer you've added to the questions. It does not save if you are showing the solution etc. The main purpose of save content state is to allow students to resume in big course presentations for instance, but the plan is also to expand it in the future to save the entire state the way you describe here that you want it to do.
As a technical side note: If you have access to programmers you may make H5P content completely unavailable after the user has made his first attempt by leveraging xAPI.
Realia
Sat, 03/19/2016 - 16:24
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Thanks Falcon for throwing
Thanks Falcon for throwing some light here ! I was not sure that I completely understood the "Save content state" setting. I get it now.
I think that it would be great indeed to be able to save the entire state of an exercise for assessing students performance.
I may be able to ask some help to a programmer to make H5P content completely unavailable after the first attempt. If we succeed, I'll gladly share the code here ;)
falcon
Fri, 03/11/2016 - 14:49
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"save content state" setting
falcon
Fri, 03/11/2016 - 15:05
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Also note that the 3 seconds
Realia
Sat, 03/19/2016 - 16:27
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Again thanks for the great
Again thanks for the great advice ! I didn't find any tip about this setting in the documentation. It is worth knowing that the system saves the state automatically at some point (after a question is answered, a slide is turned, etc.. ) Maybe you should explain this somewhere (in the H5P documentation) or, even better, next to the checkbox in H5P settings ?
thomasmars
Mon, 03/21/2016 - 09:47
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Good point
I have created an issue for documenting the settings on H5P.org, it is now in our backlog.
orphys
Mon, 04/18/2016 - 12:09
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It's me again. So I turned
It's me again. So I turned off the button try on all my exercises. For the exercises can not be changed after validation. This is the case after validation. But if you reload the page , the answers are always recorded, but you can change them again ... How can I block the answers permanently?
Realia
Mon, 04/18/2016 - 15:13
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Hi Lorin !If you read Falcon
Hi Lorin !
If you read Falcon's answer, you'll see that you can't prevent students from submitting new answers unless you develop something by yourself (see the technical note at the end of this post - something to do with leveraging the xAPI statement) : https://h5p.org/comment/4109#comment-4109).
If you disable the retry button, the student still can reload the page and submit new answers.
So you'll need to disable the "Show the solution" button as well if you use H5P activities for assessment's purposes.
Greetings,
Isa
orphys
Mon, 04/18/2016 - 15:18
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oh, ok . I thought it was
oh, ok . I thought it was the retry button to stop that prevented changing answers. By removing the " see answers " button , this will prevent not change the answers , right?
Realia
Mon, 04/18/2016 - 16:18
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Eh non ! (Nope... )From what
Eh non ! (Nope... )
From what Falcon has explained in the post that I've quoted earlier and from my own experience, I gather that there is no "native" way to prevent students from submitting new answers and/or changing them - unless you develop by yourself what Falcon points out about "leveraging xAPI statements" (I don't know what this is about, actually but hey, I'm no developer ;)). This seems to be the only way to prevent student to retry an already tried activity.
As for me, I had to find another way of assessing my students. I came up with this : for all the activities that I've created, I've enabled the "retry button" and disabled the "Show the solution" button so that students can retry as much as they wish and they won't get the solution unless they figure it out by themselves.
As my users are (well... will be) only my own students, I'll explain them that they will have to get 100% of success to an activity to get this activity rewarded with a point. All other results (90%, 75%...) won't be taken into account. So if I assign to my students 8 short exercises to train on, they will have to retry as many times as they need until they get 100% of right answers to each exercise. If they get 100% to 6 exercises, they will get only 6/8. This "forces" them to train (because of the grade to get in the end, otherwise they won't even connect - I teach in a troubled suburb in Seine-Saint-Denis) and to train "well" - at least I hope ! It has a small drawback : I can only make short exercises so that it is possible to get 100% of right answers without burning your brain ;)
For the system (Plan de travail) that you have implemented on your website, I don't think that it is so terrible that the students can change their answers after having submitted them - if you disable the "Show the solutions" button. They can try and retry the same activity - if they don't get access to the solutions it's ok, isn't it ?
Greetings,
Isa
orphys
Tue, 04/19/2016 - 09:40
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Thank you for your answer.
Realia
Tue, 04/19/2016 - 09:55
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Indeed in that specific case
Indeed in that specific case it is a bummer ;( You should - if you have a developer nearby - investigate what Flacon pointed out about leveraging xAPI to prevent student from changing his answers. I'm sorry I can't help on this.... If you find anything I'm interested in you sharing your knowledge ;)
falcon
Tue, 04/19/2016 - 23:12
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H5P will get an "exam mode"
orphys
Wed, 04/20/2016 - 13:52
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excellent! I look forward !
excellent! I look forward !
Realia
Wed, 04/20/2016 - 14:17
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So am I ! This is great news
So am I ! This is great news ;)
orphys
Sat, 06/11/2016 - 09:56
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do the "exam mode" is being
do the "exam mode" is being finalized or can you estimate the completion date?
For now everything works great and it is a pleasure to use this tool that evolves progressively
falcon
Mon, 06/13/2016 - 11:33
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We do not have an eta for
We do not have an eta for that at the moment I'm afraid.
finn
Fri, 01/06/2017 - 15:30
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Hi maybe too soon but i
Hi maybe too soon but i wonder if there are already some plans for this exammode?
The topic is old, but ithought this is better then starting another one.
greetings,
Finn
Small school teacher.
tomaj
Mon, 01/09/2017 - 07:33
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No news
Hi Finn,
There are unfortionatly no news on a exammode yet. "Backend evaluation of answers" which is listed as #7 on the roadmap, would need to be in place, to prevent cheating.
- Tom
orphys
Mon, 04/18/2016 - 12:09
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*retry button
*retry button
Salmon Joy
Sun, 06/24/2018 - 07:45
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Record the score of first attempt
I was wondering whether something can be done by which only the score of the first attempt of a quiz is recorded. Even though retry is disabled students can refresh the page and attempt the question again and again. Since in questions like multiple choice questions and drag the words, student just has to refresh the page some couple of times and attempt the question again after refreshing till the student gets the right answer.
BV52
Mon, 06/25/2018 - 04:50
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Hi Salmon Joy,If you are
Hi Salmon Joy,
If you are using one of the supported frameworks (Drupal, Wordpress or Moodle) you can enable the "save content state". This feature saves the answers/results for most contents.
-BV52
Salmon Joy
Mon, 06/25/2018 - 20:05
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"Save Content State" is enabled
Thanks BV52 for taking out time to reply to my query.
I have "save content state" enabled but it doesn't seems to solve my problem
My actual concern is that when I do the following steps in Moodle
Now when students attempt this activity I expect that they are not able to retry the question. But even after disabling retry students can attempt the question multiple times by just reloading the page. So using this logic student keeps on refreshing the page and attempting the question till they get the correct answer.
For example in a true of false question student selects True as the answer and clicks Check. When he/she sees that his/her answer is incorrect they just reload the page and attempt it again by selecting False. Since H5P upgrades the gradebook with the score of last attempt students uses this hack to get full marks. (I have attached a gif of the hack)
Same happens with Multiple choice, drag the words, drag and drop etc..
I can solve this issue in two ways
As far as I know there is no such build in option for any of these. So is there a way in which I can modify the code to implement any of these solutions? If so can you help me out with that code part?
Thanks in advance
icc
Wed, 07/18/2018 - 10:10
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You are right, this is
You are right, this is currently not possible with the Moodle plugin. I'm not sure how big of an issue this is for people or if they use some other plugin to get around it. It should not be too difficult to limit the number of attempts. I know some people log all the attempts to see the student's progression in an LRS.
sfokt
Fri, 02/15/2019 - 17:28
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Any updates?
Have there been any updates on this? Is the Exam Mode available now, or the "Backend evaluation of answers"?
BV52
Mon, 02/18/2019 - 06:24
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Hi sfokt,Exam mode is still
Hi sfokt,
Exam mode is still not available with H5Ps. For the backend evaluation of answers it is already in the Roadmap and it is only a matter of time until the core team releases this.
-BV52
grackle
Thu, 01/14/2021 - 18:18
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Timeline on "exam mode"
Hi all,
Curious to know how things are proceeding with "exam mode". We are making the move to a new LMS and I am looking ahead to an enhanced role for H5P in our language classes.
Thanks.
Mike
BV52
Fri, 01/15/2021 - 17:15
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Hi Mike,No updates yet from
Hi Mike,
No updates yet from the H5P core team regarding this project.
-BV
grackle
Fri, 01/15/2021 - 22:52
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On the road map?
Thanks BV. Is there anyway to confirm that it's on the road map? Right now it seems to be "Secret". ;-)
BV52
Fri, 01/15/2021 - 23:41
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Hi Mike,I work with the H5P
Hi Mike,
I work with the H5P core team and this is definitely in the Roadmap however it is planned to be released for H5P.com customers only and I'm not sure if there are plans to include the plugins down the line.
The "Secret" was actually the H5P Conference that was scheduled May of last year but we all know what happened worldwide :-(
-BV
grackle
Fri, 01/15/2021 - 23:47
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Thanks so much for the quick
Thanks so much for the quick reply BV. My institution is currently in the process of evaluating the .com version, so it's great to hear that "exam mode" is in the works! And yeah...we sure do know what happened worldwide. These are some difficult times we're living in!
grackle
Wed, 02/24/2021 - 18:09
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status of "exam mode"?
Our migration to BrightSpace is well underway and I am discovering more about integration of H5P.com with the platform. As I head into my first meeting with instructors tomorrow, I am wondering how to structure my comments about "Exam Mode". At present, I know only that it is on the roadmap (which is awesome) but I don't have a time horizon to think about when it might be implemented. My plan for tomorrow is to say that, if instructors are planning a scored quiz (summative assessment), they should use the native BrightSpace question types. If they are planning to create activities like homework or something with lower stakes (formative assessment), they should use H5P. And if they are looking for something in-between, they can use the H5P Quiz (Question Set) and select "first attempt" for the scoring. But I would be curious to know more about where things are re "Exam Mode" and if there is anything that can be done by the user community to hurry the process along. There is definitely an enthusiasm for it!
BV52
Wed, 02/24/2021 - 18:58
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Hi Mike,I'll follow up with
Hi Mike,
I'll follow up with the H5P core team regarding the "exam mode" however I might get back to you in time before your meeting tomorrow.
-BV
BV52
Thu, 02/25/2021 - 17:12
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Hi Mike,Exam mode may take a
Hi Mike,
Exam mode may take a while to be developed. New content types will most likely have the this feature but there needs to be some major development to create it for the older content types. There are no definite timelines, I'm afraid on when this will happen.
-BV
grackle
Fri, 12/03/2021 - 17:20
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how can students see own answers graded after submitting
I have a question that is related to "exam mode" but also to this question of "saved states." I am looking for a way that allows students to consult their submissions after they have completed an activity. We have h5p.com with the extra drill-down feature. This allows instructors to see student responses in the Reports section. But is there a way that allows students to see their results? For instance, now a student can complete a Course Presentation and her results can be sent to our LMS gradebook...but the student will only know they got 14/20. They won't know which questions they got right or wrong. Is there a way for them to view their own responses alongside the correct answers etc.? The closest I have found in H5P is when using the Column activity type. There is that page that comes up before you submit that shows all questions. If only instructors could control when students are able to see this report...that might be at least a partial solution.
BV52
Mon, 12/06/2021 - 17:12
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Hi grackle,Right now this is
Hi grackle,
Right now this is not available, however this is a good suggestion/request and I have sent this to the H5P.com developers.
-BV
Verónica2620
Mon, 12/13/2021 - 22:01
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H5P WP
Yo te recomiendo que uses H5P ya que es una herramienta de creación de actividades interactivas que funciona sobre Html5 y nos permite crear ejercicios con feedback inmediato, además de presentaciones con audio, vídeo y preguntas de diferentes tipos y con diferentes mecánicas.
En esta herramienta se tiene una aula Moodle para el seguimiento a estudiantes ya integrada.
Verónica2620
Mon, 12/13/2021 - 22:10
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H5P WP
Yo te recomiendo que uses H5P ya que es una herramienta de creación de actividades interactivas que funciona sobre Html5 y nos permite crear ejercicios con feedback inmediato, además de presentaciones con audio, vídeo y preguntas de diferentes tipos y con diferentes mecánicas.
En esta herramienta se tiene una aula Moodle para el seguimiento a estudiantes ya integrada.
Luciana Caffesse
Mon, 02/19/2024 - 06:16
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students to keep their last responses
Hi h5p Team,
I set up the H5P activities (mostly fill in the blanks) on Moodle for my students' unlimited practice and no assessment from me at all. For that, I choose the "Retry" and "Show the solution" buttons. What should I set up to let students view their final version or all the correct responses? Thanks in advance!
papi Jo
Mon, 02/19/2024 - 18:48
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Hi Luciana
1.- This is a really old discussion with many posts. Much better to start a new discussion in this case...
2.- Anyway since you are using H5P on a Moodle platform you should really post to the relevant Moodle H5P forum at https://moodle.org/mod/forum/view.php?id=8603 where you are more likely to get relevant answers!