Drag Text - add false answers

We'd like to be able to add false answers to the drag text field to provide alternate answers. 

Summary: 
Add ability to add False answers to Drag Text question types.
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tomaj's picture

I approve of your sneakyness! Very good suggestion!

- Tom

If you mean having extra words, this would be fantastic.

That is precisely what I mean. Having extra words to choose from. 

Kiosa Coup's picture

In the United States we have problems with people being afraid to make mistakes (fixed mindset) - so the idea of booby trapping a potentially important score, if the student is not then offered the option to engage and correct, is a bit of a bummer.

If you want to drive engagement in your quizzes, why not offer your students the option to double their points by filling in the blank - from long term stores? Knowing that an option to do so might be around the corner is surely a better argument for paying closer attention than the fear of being made a fool of on purpose.

 

As a teacher, I always have extra answers.  It ensures that students are thinking about the answer and not simply using process of elimination when getting to the last question.  The last question is just as important as the first one, therefore should require the same amount of thought.

tomaj's picture

Very good point

I too would really appreciate having the opportunity to include false answers. That option would not have to be implemented by those not wishing to use it but it would test knowledge better than the current format does. Students learn less without the opportunity to make mistakes and they should also be aware that making mistakes does not mean that someone is trying to make a fool of them. The education system must give students the opportunity to go beyond their current level and the opportunity to fail. Self worth will build when they understand that failure is not fatal, it is essential to success.

otacke's picture

Hi!

I'll just copy my post from below that you missed:

The code for this feature was created in January 2020, but the H5P core team has not yet found the time to review it and to merge it into the official code base.

Best,
Oliver

Kiosa Coup's picture

How old are your students, and what do you teach?

:-)

How are you implementing H5P? Are you embedding it in Moodle?

I teach junior high and I use the extra answers within matching questions on reading follow-up questions and unit tests.  We just upgraded to Moodle 3.2 and just got the H5P plugin added, so we haven't used it much.  I have used a "work-around" in which I have an H5P "activity" interactive video, which had to me watched to the end, which then triggered a conditional "quiz" with questions based on the video.  The quiz was not available until the students go 100% on the video.  I had a link to the "quiz" in the text above the video.

Kiosa Coup's picture

I just took the Moodle training in January 2017 - which is where I learned about H5P. My "target market" is public discourse on the wings of WordPress, rather than K-12 and Moodle, so it's not clear how the LRS component will work itself out there (my beta posse is definitely complaining). But.

Just as an aside, they've probably fixed it by now, but when they first launched, you could get a Certificate of Completion from Lynda.com (an IT skills training company) -- published to your LinkedIn profile -- just by launching each video in a string of videos. Last time I looked (12/2016), they still didn't have quiz questions at the end of their videos.

And yet, it seems like it would go far to increase vigilance while watching the videos. Have you found that to be the case? Do you have some stats you could share with us? Are kids going from Cs to As?

Nope.  Again, I am just devling into the H5P plugin in Moodle.  My goal is to be able to increase comprehension with the video components AND prevent students from either skipping the videos or taking "short cuts".

Lila's picture

I had the same thoughts about adding false options. So hopefully this will be developed soon! :)

Best regards, Lila

Kiosa Coup's picture

You could implement the strategy with existing technology.

Question *Answer*, Question *Answer".

False Friend: *Oops!*

Is there a reason why that wouldn't work?

tomaj's picture

Hi Kiosa Coup,

I think it's a bug. I entered a similar case into the bug tracker earlier today. So I expect it to be fixed relativly soon.

- Tom

Kiosa Coup's picture

No bug report from me . . .

h.kootstra@agriholland.nl's picture

I also want extra false answers, but I see it is still not possible?

otacke's picture

Hi!

The code for this feature was created in January, but the H5P core team has not yet found the time to review it and to merge it into the official code base.

Best,
Oliver

Any idea when this might get implemented? It would be super helpful. Kiosa Coup's workaround is good for if there's only one distractor, but if there's more than one the exercise will mark the students wrong for not putting the distractors in the right order. We'd like the ability to add more.

BV52's picture

Hi uwmlrc,

Sorry no updates yet.

-BV

Has the code from otacke been reviewed yet? Will we know when this will be pushed into the mainstream of H5P? It's coded, and only needs to be approved by the core team.  I also see that we're super close to finishing the major changes to H5P so it'd be nice if getting that done will streamline and speed up some of the backed up development that already happened a year and a half ago. Any timeline either on the completion of the H5P rebuild that's 98% complete or on the approval of otacke's code which would allow for false answers?

BV52's picture

Hi grammaticus,

I'm afraid I cannot provide any timelines nor any assurance that Oliver's PR will be approved. However there are 2 places you can check:

Pull Request: Once it has been closed and sayd merge to Master (samples here), this means that it has been reviewed and tested by the developers of the core team and ready to be released.

Release Overview - This is the list of updates/bug fixes that has been released. Please note that H5P.org (since it is a test site) gets updated first at the same time the plugins or after a day or two. 

-BV